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8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 4 months ago #1 by Jack ONeill

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  • Waterloo OOB was created by Jack ONeill

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    File Name: OOB_SB_NAP..._SR8.csv
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    *UPDATED AS OF 06/08/2013*

    All,

    The Waterloo OOB is has been officially updated to include Gunships Dutch-Belgians and Brunswickers. There are still gaps in the sprites, but in the main, the new ones help out alot. I have re-done the Quatre-Bras OOB also. I did not change any of the French. The differences in uniforms were not that striking as to make it worthwhile. These OOBs will run with or without the new .gfx.csv file I posted
    with the 1806-07 OOB the other day.

    Contains -

    Napoleons Armee du Nord - 76,468 Foot, Horse and Guns.
    Wellingtons Anglo-Allied Army in Belgium - 69,205 Foot, Horse and Guns.

    The Armies portrayed are the troops actually on the field at Waterloo, 18 June, 1815. The Allied Detachments at Hal on Wellingtons left are not included. Grouchys troops at Wavre are not included.

    Sprites we don't have and what I did -
    The French were pretty straight forward. I think the only issue I had was the French Lancers. The Polish Lancers of the Vistula are standing in for them as well as the Guard Lancers.

    Allies -

    Brunswickers. Changed to the new sprites as much as there were sprites for. Used Polish Lancers for the Uhlans and British Hussars for Brunswick Light Horse.

    Dutch-Belgians. Changed to the new sprites. Still some gaps, but better now. Ended up using British Heavy Dragoons for the Carabiniers and a variety of Light Horse troopers from all over to fill in the Dutch-Belgian Light Horse. French for the gunners.

    British/KGL/Hanoverians. Hanoverian Landwehr get to wear British uniforms. Why not? The KGL was from Hanover, so...
    We have no Scots Greys - Had to use regular British Heavy Dragoons for them.

    Everyone on the Anglo-Allied side has a British Flag. We don't have any other National colors. Keeps it simple. British Regimental Colors are random if I didn't already have them with the units from a different OOB when they were drawn over.

    IMPORTANT!!! You have to run both the Road to Wagram Mod AND the Peninsular Mod for this to work. There are troop types from both in this OOB. I have combined them into one and made it work but you don't have to. I believe the Waterloo OOB should be put in the Road to Wagram OOB folder to work right. Part of the problem I had doing this was keeping track of where the troop types were coming from. That was the big reason I spent the time combining the two Mods.

    There is NO ROCKET TROOP in Whinyates' RHA Troop, ONLY because we don't have the sprites.

    Yes, Wellington AND the Earl of Uxbridge have been cloned. Wellington had personal command of the Reserve Corps, (not Tom Picton), so his name is in the command slot for the Corps. There were really no Cavalry Divisions set up and Uxbridge maintained personal control over each Brigade. This IS probably why the Allied Cavalry did so poorly at variuos time during the battle. I set them up as Divisions for better Command and Control.

    For both sides there are some combined Horse Squadrons. I did this to alleviate having a bunch of tiny sqaudrons running around the field. Travers Cuirassiers Brigade as an example.

    I think that's it. If I've forgotten anything, I'll post it or you guys will tell me. If wwe get new/different sprites, I'll update the OOB. It is fairly easy...now.

    The OOB plays well all the way down to Brigade/Battery level. I believe I've crossed-checked everyone so you can play as whoever you want. The OOB plays really well in Sprite Ratio 8 and Sprite Ratio 4.

    I look forward to your feedback...En Avant!

    Jack B)

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    8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago #2 by conjotter

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    Hi Jack.

    Question:

    Are we to simply cut and paste this file into the mods directory, or into one of the specific folders?

    Thanks.
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    8 years 7 months ago #3 by Zeke

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    Nice one Jack :woohoo: I will have a go with this over the weekend - just putting the finishing touch to Salamanca 1812 and currently working on Vitoria 1813

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    8 years 7 months ago #4 by conjotter

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    Hey Jack.

    Please disregard my question. I figured it out and it works fine.

    Thanks for this!

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    8 years 7 months ago #5 by Jack ONeill

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    All,

    More stuff I forgot -

    French Imperial Guard Cavalry - (and others) -
    Used French Cuirassiers for the Grenadiers a Cheval de la Garde. No sprites for that...yet.
    Used Standard French Dragoons for the Empress Dragoons de la Garde.
    Used French Hussars for the Chasseurs de la Garde. The Garde Light Cav uniform was very similar to the general Hussar uniform. Sorry, we don't have any sprites wearing Colpaks.

    Again, used french Cuirassiers for the 2 regiments of Carabiniers. Again, no sprites for them.

    Didn't notice this until this mornings battle - there are still some French Ligne Battalions that have "skirmish" muskets - aka they can fire farther that the basic ones. Thought I'd caught them all but apparently not. It shouldn't make that much difference since the fighting is at such close range anyway.

    Finally, has anyone else noticed just how much Cemetery Ridge resembles the ridge at Mont-St. Jean? I'm just sayin... Perhaps a scenario or two there? Hmmm...

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    8 years 7 months ago #6 by Ingles of the 57th

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    Spectacular, Jack, no other word for it.

    The french infantry marched straight into Uxbridge's massed cavalry on the march-in (Using Trevilian Station map, with its limited roads). I have never seen a bigger pile of dead horses in my life, this side of a British supermarket.

    The size of this OOB really does push the limits of the sandbox format though. Only really works as currently programmed on the larger maps using the 'hunt them down' mode. Anything else produces ridiculous overlaps. The "line of sight" mode lined up the entire two armies in parallel, nose to nose, and any chance of controlling the battle thereafter became a pipedream.

    This does not have to be though. The individual Divisions in 'defend' and 'attack' are placed initially with a lot of unnecessary space between them. If the total formation 'footprint' could be compressed and the starting positions of the two armies moved farther apart on parallel facings then even the smallest maps, like the first four Gettysburg maps, could accommodate Army v Army without overlap..

    I proved this, using the Pickett map, by amending the .ini file to suspend temporarily the AI and allow Alpha Omega and then resolving an horrendous overlap by placing each Division manually as suggested above. Adequate room to do this ..... and the battle then proceeded smoothly.

    Geoff Laver Late of Her Britannic Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot.

    "Die hard, my men. Die hard the 57th."
    Last words of Col Ingles commanding His Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot at Albuhera 1811

    Marshal Beresford wrote in his despatch "Our dead, particularly the 57th Regiment,were lying as they fought in the ranks, every wound in front"

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    8 years 7 months ago #7 by Ingles of the 57th

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    Jack,

    Just a couple of small typo corrections verging on the nitpicking.

    Both Landwehr Regiments

    Hameln not Hamlen
    Hildesheim not Hildeshiem

    These jumped out at me as I served in both those worthy towns in 1959

    Geoff Laver Late of Her Britannic Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot

    "Die hard, my men. Die hard the 57th."
    Last words of Col Ingles commanding His Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot at Albuhera 1811

    Marshal Beresford wrote in his despatch "Our dead, particularly the 57th Regiment,were lying as they fought in the ranks, every wound in front"

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    8 years 7 months ago #8 by Grog

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  • Replied by Grog on topic Re: Waterloo OOB
    Thanks Jack

    Not had chance to check it out yet but I look forward to trying the whole OOB on one of Garnier's big maps, which I think will represent that campaign area very well.

    I'm interested to test out FPS with large Nap mod armies.

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    8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago #9 by Jack ONeill

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    Geoff,

    No kidding. Typos, really? :laugh: Yes, at a cetain point, I can't see anymore and my typing falls off massively. However, Hamlen was how it was spelled in 2-3 reference books I used for the numbers cross-reference. Blame them, not me. :laugh:

    Grog,

    The FPS slows down some, but not much, with the big OOB running when everyone is engaged. Yes, you need the BIG maps to use this.

    Borodino? Probably not. We don't have a map, (or the computers), to run 100,000 plus men on each side.....yet.

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    8 years 7 months ago #10 by Ingles of the 57th

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    Hi Jack,

    Just for the record, I lifted these cells from the TC2M/Horse and Musket Waterloo OOB.

    Geoff Laver Late of Her Britannic Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot


    "Die hard, my men. Die hard the 57th."
    Last words of Col Ingles commanding His Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot at Albuhera 1811

    Marshal Beresford wrote in his despatch "Our dead, particularly the 57th Regiment,were lying as they fought in the ranks, every wound in front"
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    8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago #11 by Grog

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    8 years 7 months ago #12 by Jack ONeill

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    Grog,

    Thank you for the Video. It will be nice when I can watch it. I will say once again how much I HATE Dish Network's incredibly crappy internet setup. Assuming I get another, (better), job soon, I will deep-six this junk and go back to Comcast internet. I had almost zero problems with it compared to Dish.

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    8 years 4 months ago #13 by Jack ONeill

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  • All,

    The Waterloo and Quatre-Bras OOBs have been updated with Gunships new Brunswicker and Dutch-Belgian sprites.

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    8 years 4 months ago #14 by Ingles of the 57th

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  • Jack,

    I replaced the my Waterloo OOB with the new one ....nothing else altered. SOW immediately crashed in Sandbox with Waterloo selected. Not only that Sandbox itself crashes out now with Waterloo selected .... I cannot get into it at all.

    Having deleted Waterloo OOB and Quatre Bras OOB it now runs again fine.

    I am going to find another way to set this up perhaps using a discrete Mod structure.

    Unfortunately, having great faith, I did not save the original OOB's. If I can't get it to work I would ask some kind soul to repost the originals for me.

    Thanks

    Geoff Laver Late of Her Britannic Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot

    "Die hard, my men. Die hard the 57th."
    Last words of Col Ingles commanding His Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot at Albuhera 1811

    Marshal Beresford wrote in his despatch "Our dead, particularly the 57th Regiment,were lying as they fought in the ranks, every wound in front"

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    8 years 4 months ago - 8 years 4 months ago #15 by Davinci

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    Ingles - I don't have the Napoleon Mod Installed at this time, but check the line 600 Waterloo OOB.

    It should be something such as..... 1 1 6 3 0 0 or 1 1 7 0 0 0 .

    I haven't check the other OOB.

    EDIT Post : To add this!

    In the QuatreBras OOB - Jack is going to have to explain why the Column [G] is not in numerical order. I don't know if that would crash the game, but I would think that it is supposed to be in order.

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    8 years 4 months ago #16 by Ingles of the 57th

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    Jack

    I just purposely recrashed and this is the SOW log file using Waterloo OOB. The final line looks suspicious.

    Game Launched
    08:21:07 Version:SOWGB
    1.5001
    08:21:08 Loading Defined Lists
    08:21:08 Initializing
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\10MileMapV1
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\10MileMapV2
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\1800 Battles - Montebello Marango Ampfing Hohenlinden
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Alternate Explosions
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Antietam Mini Maps
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Antietam September 18 What If
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\AP Hill Carryover Scenario Series
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Bloodbath Mod
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Chancellorsville Extras
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Chancellorsville Terrain Mod01
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\ELPine_1
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\ELPine_2
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Gettysburg Cemetery Hill - Culps Hill Series
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Gettysburg_3Days_in_7Hours
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Kershaw Scenario Series
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Nap Armies of Italy
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\NSD Sample 1
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\OBJMap_V1
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Olustee
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\OOB NSD
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Pipe Creek SR10
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Prairie Grove
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Quatre Bras Mod
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\RandomMaps2
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\RandomMaps4
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\RandomMaps5
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\RandomMaps6
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\RandomMaps7
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Road to Wagram & Peninsular
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Road to Wagram & Peninsular CSVs
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Road to Wagram & Penninsular Patch 01
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Road to Wagram Gattensberg Scenarios
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Secessionville
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Take on NSD Team
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\TC2M_CMP30_OOBS
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Ten Days
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Trevilian Station
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Turbo Flags
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Valverde
    08:21:09 Mod: D:\GETTYSBURG\Mods\Nap_B&F_Toolbar_2013
    08:21:09 Ansi:16, TexH:16384, TexW:16384
    08:21:09 SOWGB Loaded
    08:21:09 08:21:09
    08:21:15 Error in scenario.csv file, OOB_GB32 repeated id name.
    08:21:15 Error in scenario.csv file, OOB_GB33 repeated id name.
    08:21:15 Error in scenario.csv file, OOB_GB32 repeated id name.
    08:21:15 Error in scenario.csv file, OOB_GB32 repeated id name.
    08:21:15 Error in scenario.csv file, OOB_GB32 repeated id name.
    08:21:15 Error in scenario.csv file, OOB_GB33 repeated id name.
    08:21:15 Error in scenario.csv file, OOB_GB33 repeated id name.
    08:21:23 Error in scenario.csv file, OOB_GB_291 repeated id name.
    08:21:24 Can't find unit class type BEL_LINE

    "Die hard, my men. Die hard the 57th."
    Last words of Col Ingles commanding His Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot at Albuhera 1811

    Marshal Beresford wrote in his despatch "Our dead, particularly the 57th Regiment,were lying as they fought in the ranks, every wound in front"

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    8 years 4 months ago #17 by Ingles of the 57th

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    Perhaps I haven't got the new sprites downloaded ? Checking

    Geoff Laver Late of Her Britannic Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot

    "Die hard, my men. Die hard the 57th."
    Last words of Col Ingles commanding His Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot at Albuhera 1811

    Marshal Beresford wrote in his despatch "Our dead, particularly the 57th Regiment,were lying as they fought in the ranks, every wound in front"

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    8 years 4 months ago #18 by Ingles of the 57th

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    Jack

    Mia culpa. I hadn't got the new sprites downloaded and installed correctly. All going OK now.

    Just too many separate things-that-have-to-hang-together happening these days for an old brain to encompass.

    Geoff Laver Late of Her Britannic Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot

    "Die hard, my men. Die hard the 57th."
    Last words of Col Ingles commanding His Majesty's 57th Regiment of Foot at Albuhera 1811

    Marshal Beresford wrote in his despatch "Our dead, particularly the 57th Regiment,were lying as they fought in the ranks, every wound in front"

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    8 years 4 months ago #19 by Jack ONeill

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    Geoff,

    Glad you got it running. I always worry if the OOB is not "self-contained" within the original NapMod download. Yes, the new, extra sprites are a bit of a handful. Just wish we had just one Dutch-Belgian flag. Good job!

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    7 years 1 month ago - 7 years 1 month ago #20 by JohnVW

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    jack...if I want to use these in MP what would the other players need to have? (I also will be importing your OOB's into the scenario generator! but either way what do I need to make sure they have if i'm hosting a MP game?)...thanks
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